Discussion:
Re-submit postponed bugs?
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Sven Groot
2010-03-20 04:02:01 UTC
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I had a bug on IE8 that was closed as postponed
(https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/details/408759/overflow-scroll-causes-element-to-always-have-its-max-height),
and the same issue still occurs on the IE9 Platform Preview.

Should I re-submit the bug, or is that not necessary?
rob^_^
2010-03-20 06:55:13 UTC
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Hi Sven,

Thanks for posting the link to the connect ticket. It makes it easy to look
it up and comment.

I can reproduce the issue from your test page in both IE8 and IE9 document
modes on IEPreview.

Yes I think you should re-submit the issue. I have not done so yet with the
tickets that I raised and with a postponed status. It looks like we cannot
just re-open them, but I think they should be resubmitted as validated HTML
5 (<!Doctype>) DTD

There in lies the problem

Now I make out that your test page should be also submitted as

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=9" />
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
<title>Overflow: scroll causes element to become its max-height</title>

<style type="text/css">
div
{
border: solid 1px black;
max-height: 20em;
overflow:scroll;
} </style> </head> <body> <p>The below &lt;div&gt; element has a max-height of 20em and
overflow set to scroll. In IE8 RC1, this causes the element to
become 20em in height even when this isn't necessary.</p>
<div>test</div>

</body>
</html>

But validating this at validator.w3.org returns a critical error...

Line 4, Column 52: Bad value X-UA-Compatible for attribute http-equiv on
element meta.
<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=9" />

I don't know what is going on there....

2. at http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-box/#overflow1

I found this notation..

In the preceding sections, several things (such as flow roots) depend on the
value of ‘overflow’. We probably need to rewrite them in terms of
“overflow-x and/or -y” or similar.

Make of that what you will...

I think as a minimum any new tickets for IE9Preview should include the IE9
emulation Meta tag. It would seem logical that any corrected issues would be
only available in the IE9 Rendering Mode engine.

Press F12 to display the Developer Tool in IE9Preview to determine the
default document mode of your test cases.

Oh,,, very important. In IE8 first turn off "Automatically recover from
rendering errors with Compatibility view" on the advanced tab of internet
options. I usually turn this off when I am testing any web page in IE8.
Sometime you can code for standards with a valid DTD, but because of errors
on your page IE8 would fall back to near standards or quirks.

If you haven't already done so, read the instructions for submitting
feedback at the IEBlog.
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/16/IE9-Platform-Preview-Feedback.aspx

Before you can raise new tickets you need to re-open your connect IE beta
participation. You may also like to join the IE beta newsgroup and add it to
your newsreader to keep informed about any late breaking news. I will cross
post this there although I think someone from MSFT is definitely monitoring
this public newsgroup and probably make comments in the connect NG.

Definitely add the IEBlog to your feed reader. There are 2 new posts as we
speak.
Post by Sven Groot
I had a bug on IE8 that was closed as postponed
(https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/details/408759/overflow-scroll-causes-element-to-always-have-its-max-height),
and the same issue still occurs on the IE9 Platform Preview.
Should I re-submit the bug, or is that not necessary?
rob^_^
2010-03-20 07:31:38 UTC
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All questions should be posted to this public newsgroup. It looks like there
is no separate connect newsgroup for beta tester questions.

<rant>
I expect that sooner or later someone from the IETeam will join up and post
some additional instructions about what they are expecting from beta testers
and their submissions to connect. Its a bit strange that we are only
notified from the IEBlog and not this newsgroup also. The very minimum is
that new IEBlog headers for IE9Preview should be cross-posted here.
</rant>
Peter Flindt
2010-03-20 15:56:03 UTC
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rob^_^ wrote on 20.03.2010 in message
Post by rob^_^
All questions should be posted to this public newsgroup. It looks like there
is no separate connect newsgroup for beta tester questions.
<rant>
I expect that sooner or later someone from the IETeam will join up and post
some additional instructions about what they are expecting from beta testers
and their submissions to connect. Its a bit strange that we are only
notified from the IEBlog and not this newsgroup also. The very minimum is
that new IEBlog headers for IE9Preview should be cross-posted here.
</rant>
Is this your first MS product? ;)
I never saw any answer from a MS employee here in this newsgroups.
Independent if this is a real product or a beta version.

I guess with the IE9.0 the same, Connect site for bug reports and
feature request, newsgroups for discussions or user<-> user requests.

Peter
Sven Groot
2010-03-20 09:38:01 UTC
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Hi Rob,

Thanks for your reply.
Post by rob^_^
But validating this at validator.w3.org returns a critical error...
Line 4, Column 52: Bad value X-UA-Compatible for attribute http-equiv on
element meta.
<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=9" />
The HTML5 specification requires conformance checkers to reject unknown
values of the http-equiv attribute. It is possible to register allowed
extensions, but only official HTTP headers defined in an RFC are allowed to
be registered. This pretty much precludes the X-UA-Compatible value from ever
being accepted by the W3C Validator. I guess MS will have to fight this out
with whoever's in charge of that, but in the mean time, you cannot create a
validating HTML5 document that includes this meta element.
Post by rob^_^
I think as a minimum any new tickets for IE9Preview should include the IE9
emulation Meta tag. It would seem logical that any corrected issues would be
only available in the IE9 Rendering Mode engine.
I think standards-compliant documents without any X-UA-Compatible indication
(which should default to IE9 mode anyway) are also fine.

I also think there's a danger in submitting tickets using HTML5. It makes it
seem as if the issue is related to the HTML5 support (which it isn't), and it
makes it harder to check the behaviour of older version of IE that don't
support HTML5.
Post by rob^_^
If you haven't already done so, read the instructions for submitting
feedback at the IEBlog.
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/16/IE9-Platform-Preview-Feedback.aspx
I've been a beta tester for various MS products for 12 years. I think I know
the process. :P
Post by rob^_^
Definitely add the IEBlog to your feed reader. There are 2 new posts as we
speak.
I've kept an eye on the IEBlog ever since it first started.

Cheers,
Sven
rob^_^
2010-03-21 03:34:31 UTC
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Hi Sven,

No MVP logo? Are you using the web interface?

Anyway. I agree with your comments, re: DTD and UA compatibility tags.
VS/Expression intellisense makes no sense of them yet.
Post by Sven Groot
I had a bug on IE8 that was closed as postponed
(https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/details/408759/overflow-scroll-causes-element-to-always-have-its-max-height),
and the same issue still occurs on the IE9 Platform Preview.
Should I re-submit the bug, or is that not necessary?
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